Full service with ML

[NC3]

wow NC3!!! you've just opened my punting eyes! of all my ML sessions, the massage time is always at least 50%... I never thought to control the session and only get 10mins massage time... mind blown...

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I think is common sense. You manage the session and the ml will follow you, in case she is going to disagree with the whole 'script' [ rarely can happen] then stay only with the massage.
Therefore as I said, almost never I visit shops with inclusive rates because inclusive rates it means that you have pre-paid for service [ nhj ] that maybe you will not want to do in case there is not connection with the ml.

so simple ...

p.s. I have said many times in this forum, Ginza service GS- Ginza rates GR can be your guide. Never accept to pay more or even the same [that you are paying at G] in any massage shop.
spoil the field / ml is not good idea.

[GoldfishMan]

Massage (for the room and the legit massage): $70-$90/hour

Extras:
Part 2: +$50 NHJ
Part 2.1 +$50 other sexual activities short of penetration, e.g. B2B, oral (probably CBJ but could be BBBJ), Spanish, etc.
Part 3 +$50 FS

Total: $150 SERVICE FEES. There's no "skipping" needed, up to you and the ML as to the speed of the progression. Maybe a little "handsy", followed by some "oral", followed by some "pelvic thrusters" if you've paid "in full".

Each stage is "additive", and includes the lower numbered stages, e.g. $100 should get you a NHJ + oral, but not FS (OK, with some ladies, it will allow you "access" to check her oil with your dipstick).

Grand total, bottom line: $70 to $90 + (SERVICE FEES noted above) = in most cases, $220 to $240/hour for FS

Nice summary, bro. One thing though... While the FS fee should basically "unlock" all services, I personally do not go for FS once oil is applied to my dick.

I once made a mistake of changing my mind mid-NHJ and decided to go for FS. The ML needed to clean my dick with cold wet wipes just to be able to put on a condom. BBBJ was out of the question because of the oil.

I reckon if you really wanted bang for your buck and absolutely need to have all services, I'd recommend getting the NHJ last.

[11Bravo]

Nice summary, bro. One thing though... While the FS fee should basically "unlock" all services, I personally do not go for FS once oil is applied to my dick.

I once made a mistake of changing my mind mid-NHJ and decided to go for FS. The ML needed to clean my dick with cold wet wipes just to be able to put on a condom. BBBJ was out of the question because of the oil.

I reckon if you really wanted bang for your buck and absolutely need to have all services, I'd recommend getting the NHJ last.

IME, the ML will be fiddling with my dick as she's trying for an up-sell, but doesn't apply oil until it's confirmed that a NHJ is as far as we'll go. Unless I'm there for edging, or I've made a mistake in the selection, I rarely fly economy. At a minimum, it's business, or first. In either case, oil will be left in the bottle. Nice thing about regulars, we both know why I'm there.

[ColesBag]

Went to SBM recently & one of the girls wanted 150 for FS. I turned her down. Too much. Settled for the NHJ instead which was included.

[11Bravo]

Went to SBM recently & one of the girls wanted 150 for FS. I turned her down. Too much. Settled for the NHJ instead which was included.

And THAT'S the problem with the inclusive shops. Girls geared to FS=$150 in their hand, but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price as it's stuck in the till at the desk. At these inclusive shops, MY ceiling is +$100 FS.

[NC3]

And THAT'S the problem with the inclusive shops. Girls geared to FS=$150 in their hand, but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price as it's stuck in the till at the desk. At these inclusive shops, MY ceiling is +$100 FS.

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exactly this ... ' but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price '.
Inclusive rates are so wrong. People need to avoid shops with inclusive rates so the owners will realise that they have to go back to normal set up, 50-65-75.

[Keeping Up]

At 227NS a stunning lady, and I mean stunning, asked for $200 for FS and I just smiled and said no. She countered with 150 then 120 and we agreed. Smart enough to understand she had to maximise her earn for an hour.
Saw her a couple times after and voluntarily gave her $150 as I thought she was worth it. If she wouldn’t budge the first time I was out so we both achieved decent outcomes in the end.

[Strommer]

At 227NS a stunning lady, and I mean stunning, asked for $200 for FS and I just smiled and said no. She countered with 150 then 120 and we agreed. Smart enough to understand she had to maximise her earn for an hour.
Saw her a couple times after and voluntarily gave her $150 as I thought she was worth it. If she wouldn’t budge the first time I was out so we both achieved decent outcomes in the end.

I figure full service is $150 on top of massage. Thats what I am going to be expecting when I head that route with a ML.

But you are right, you sign up for the massage for 60 minutes, how much of that does the ML see if nothing else happens? Not much at all I'm guessing. So the incentive is there for the WL to make the most of her hour's time to earn.

Is this stunning lady still working, and her name or name she is now know as at another shop, and which shop :-)

[trampslikeus55]

As an aside there seems to be a proliferation of bracket creep about at the moment. $200 for FS seems to be asked and paid quite regularly on the forum. Each to their own but this is overs Most brothels are cheaper for 30 mins. And you will have a willing participant 👍

[NC3]

At 227NS a stunning lady, and I mean stunning, asked for $200 for FS and I just smiled and said no. She countered with 150 then 120 and we agreed. Smart enough to understand she had to maximise her earn for an hour.
Saw her a couple times after and voluntarily gave her $150 as I thought she was worth it. If she wouldn’t budge the first time I was out so we both achieved decent outcomes in the end.

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Great!!!
The client has 100% the control of the session, if the ml disagrees with the tip, just have only massage. so simple.

[trampslikeus55]

I figure full service is $150 on top of massage. Thats what I am going to be expecting when I head that route with a ML.

But you are right, you sign up for the massage for 60 minutes, how much of that does the ML see if nothing else happens? Not much at all I'm guessing. So the incentive is there for the WL to make the most of her hour's time to earn.

Is this stunning lady still working, and her name or name she is now know as at another shop, and which shop :-)

I will guess it was Kara or Lucky and they both still work at NS227 and E41 😁

[Kiki kong]

Went to SBM recently & one of the girls wanted 150 for FS. I turned her down. Too much. Settled for the NHJ instead which was included.

This has happened to me several times. Usually it's the young pretty Thai girls asking $150-200. It's ridiculous, but I tell them I ain't rich and I'm on Centrelink. Obviously they laugh since I'm usually well dressed and relatively fit looking, but I'll get FS for $100 extra.

[11Bravo]

When I first started punting in SYD, paid the massage fee of $65 with a $50 +$20. Detoured to the toilet (don't get old), came back, looking for the change, the girl pointed to the table in the room, there the fiver was. Great.

HOWEVER, the poor girl was assigned double duty, masseuse AND receptionist. After one too many interruptions, I'd had it. When she returned once again, I was getting off the table, starting to get dressed. She was "What's the problem?" When I explained, I WAS leaving, she informed me the massage was $90. Say WHAT? I pointed to the sign on the wall where 1 hour was CLEARLY listed as $65 (right next to the sign that said "No sexual services"). With a STRAIGHT face, she said, "That's for a massage WITH extras. For a massage WITHOUT extras, $90. DANGEROUS situation, myself trying to keep from laughing.

But we DID reach a mutually satisfactory compromise (NOT a dirty word), and I left happy, happy enough to return (with her promise of sole attention to me, which she did keep - oh, yes, indeed).

So yes, the providers make THEIR coin on the extras, and most are reluctant to forgo a full loss of income. Having said that, be reasonable. They do have a floor just as we have a ceiling.

[tcrawford]

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Therefore as I said, almost never I visit shops with inclusive rates because inclusive rates it means that you have pre-paid for service [ nhj ] that maybe you will not want to do in case there is not connection with the ml.

It's actually considered bad etiquette to not go with the minimum nhj extra at the non-inclusive shops. Otherwise the girl gets a bare minimum for the session just on the massage booking, something like $25 from the $75. I mean you can do it but eventually you will get a bad reputation if you do it too often.

[tcrawford]

And THAT'S the problem with the inclusive shops. Girls geared to FS=$150 in their hand, but they don't include the already paid $50 NHJ in their price as it's stuck in the till at the desk. At these inclusive shops, MY ceiling is +$100 FS.

Oh the girls are not stupid, they work these jobs for a living and know exactly the calculations between inclusive and non-inclusive. It's just that you have encountered a girl that puts her fee at $200 FS and therefore they charge $150 at the inclusive shops. I guarantee you if you find that girl at a non-inclusive she will try to charge $200.

[11Bravo]

Oh the girls are not stupid, they work these jobs for a living and know exactly the calculations between inclusive and non-inclusive. It's just that you have encountered a girl that puts her fee at $200 FS and therefore they charge $150 at the inclusive shops. I guarantee you if you find that girl at a non-inclusive she will try to charge $200.

WITHOUT doubt, they are NOT stupid. They know exactly their MSRP, but I also know that each has a floor.

TRY being the operative word. My attitude is it never hurts to ask, but, myself, just like an interior down lineman (and the crowd begins to chant, hold the line, HOLD the line, HOLD THE LINE) I do. Sometimes it's a touchdown, sometimes a first down, rarely a sack.

And I do agree, in the non-inclusive shops, it is expected to at least fly economy, if not business or first. Otherwise, just go to a legit massage shop and stop wasting her time. She also has bills to pay.

[tcrawford]

Oh I didn't mean they won't negotiate on their starting price, I just mean they will have a different starting price based on the shop payment model.

On a side note negotiating down extras could also be a mood killer, or the girl might be less enthusiastic. Just something to consider.

[11Bravo]

On a side note negotiating down extras could also be a mood killer, or the girl might be less enthusiastic. Just something to consider.

I agree, and as I've said somewhere, I don't negotiate. If she's at or below my ceiling, it's a go. If not, I'll just politely decline, and wait to see if she makes another suggestion. If asked, I tell the truth: 50/100/150. But honestly, with my demographics and my looks, you say old, I say experienced, they are VERY astute...

It's just VERY simple: I KNOW what I'm willing to pay for HER experience. I'm polite but not gullible.