Sudden Influx of Brand Girls?

[ics]

Has anyone noticed there is a sudden influx of "Brand Grils" on the outcall market? Do they really live up to the brand status or the agencies are simply trying to milk more money? Let's not mention MOC, cuz not rating a girl as branded is not their style, just look at the past few new girls, you'd see their trends. The new new girls from xclubsyd are "miss x", even Bluemoon. Look at the last few new girls they have, except Nana and the new malaysian, all are branded. Just wondering do we really have so many high quality girls on the market or it's the christmas push from agencies to exploit our holiday budget and our tendency to spend more in holiday season...

[rooter]

At least 2 factors at play here.
One is simply just MARKETING. Once one agency came up with this concept of brand girls and it was successful then all the rest followed to cash in. Its a competive market and you have to keep up with your competitors.
Another factor is that the high Australian dollar means Australia is now an even more lucrative market for WLs from China, Japan, Korea etc. A six month stint in Australia can earn a clever WL enough money to pay her uni fees, fund a world trip, or put a deposit on an apartment back home. So we are getting higher quality girls coming out here now.

[AHLUNGOR]

I always believe the supply and demand principle will eventually llevel out the playing fields. You can call your girls whatever you want, but if they don't deliver, customers are going to walk or not returning.

I guess the outcall escorts are at the top end of the market and those brothers who have the means to visit are not silly, they want value for money too!!

So good luck to all the punters and puntees

Cheers

[wilisno]

I always believe the supply and demand principle will eventually llevel out the playing fields. You can call your girls whatever you want, but if they don't deliver, customers are going to walk or not returning.

I guess the outcall escorts are at the top end of the market and those brothers who have the means to visit are not silly, they want value for money too!!

So good luck to all the punters and puntees

Cheers

Exactly ! Do some research, read some comments and reports if you don't want to take the bullet, that's what this forum is for !

As for BlueMoon, apparently both of their latest brand girls, Sammi and Aya are well worth the money !

[AHLUNGOR]

Exactly ! Do some research, read some comments and reports if you don't want to take the bullet, that's what this forum is for !

As for BlueMoon, apparently both of their latest brand girls, Sammi and Aya are well worth the money !

Haha, I thought sister Sammi is at yet another level all on her own, she is a Senior Member already, she is one of Us!!

Cheers

[AHLUNGOR]

Has anyone noticed there is a sudden influx of "Brand Grils" on the outcall market? Do they really live up to the brand status or the agencies are simply trying to milk more money? Let's not mention MOC, cuz not rating a girl as branded is not their style, just look at the past few new girls, you'd see their trends. The new new girls from xclubsyd are "miss x", even Bluemoon. Look at the last few new girls they have, except Nana and the new malaysian, all are branded. Just wondering do we really have so many high quality girls on the market or it's the christmas push from agencies to exploit our holiday budget and our tendency to spend more in holiday season...

I also like to add that I think right now in the Sydney Asian FS market, no doubt 5 Star is a "BRAND" in it's own right and I think their business module works really successfully. They have a well established shop and while they are at the top end of the scale for Asian brothels, you can still get a 30 min session for $150 with a huge selection of girls and the "5 Star" services, so for me, if I'm after FS, I will not think twice and head straight to 5 Star rather than paying the $60/60 min massage + $100 FS, even in my favourite MSs! It is that simple.

And then they introduced the private Penthouse services @$350/hr which is in direct competition with all the outcall agencies, the difference is, the 5 Star girls who get to work in the Penthouse are usually the creme de la creme from the shop such as Milo and Moon, or they are being viewed by management as worthy of working in the Penthouse so that policy in itself is almost like a quality assurance and so far I have not read too many bad reviews on 5 Star Penthouse girls so I guess they have lived up to their end of the bargain. Not sucking up to 5 Star here as I don't even go there that often but I tell it as I see it.

One more suggestion though, perhaps a shop like Ginza could learn a thing or two here: if they are really moving to a shop, then I think its a good opportunity for them to copy the 5 Star system and keep their CBD venue as a "Penthouse" type operation, the shop should have similar charge scale as their current operation which should ensure a high volume turn over. And the CBD venue can be more upmarket and exclusive, charge a higher premium by all means and I am sure they will know who are the right "Ginza" girls to place there, and may be spend some money to upgrade the place, how about it Wilson (that's the boss's name right, sorry, I have never been) ?

I love competitions, and only the best and fittest should do well and survive.............haha

Just my two cents

Cheers

[bhd]

Myoutcall has a new name called Sydcats... just thought I would point it out...
When you see another influx of brand girls, they probably are just same girls from MOC to anothe name.

I think they realize their reputation is really bad now.
And instead of changing their customer service, they change their name.. class act they are...

[Sextus]

AHLungor wrote:

"The Ginza CBD venue can be more upmarket and exclusive, charge a higher premium by all means and I am sure they will know who are the right "Ginza" girls to place there, and may be spend some money to upgrade the place, how about it Wilson?"

Sextus:
I wonder how many fans of Ginza would like your suggestion of the best girls there being creamed off and they'd then have to pay much more if they wanted to see them? Not many of the Ginza punters I'lll bet. Not any of them, I'll bet.

[AHLUNGOR]

AHLungor wrote:

"The Ginza CBD venue can be more upmarket and exclusive, charge a higher premium by all means and I am sure they will know who are the right "Ginza" girls to place there, and may be spend some money to upgrade the place, how about it Wilson?"

Sextus:
I wonder how many fans of Ginza would like your suggestion of the best girls there being creamed off and they'd then have to pay much more if they wanted to see them? Not many of the Ginza punters I'lll bet. Not any of them, I'll bet.

Hi Brother Sextus,

You are absolutely right!! on a punters point of view that is. I was probably more thinking along the side of the shop owners, but ultimately the market will decide if it is worthwhile for their money.

My comments before was not suggesting that Ginza (after relocation and rebranding) is gonna charge the prices similar to 5 Star, they are currently very successful because there is a big gap between their prices and that of 5 Star and I think to maintain their competitive edge, they will need to keep it:

Current prices:
5 Star 30 min $150, 60 min $280, Penthouse $350/hr
Ginza 30 min $100, 60 min $160, Private apartment, may be $200-$220/hr

Now, if you ask the same question again, may be some punters will pay the higher price and be with the higher quality Ginza girl in the private apartment instead of at the shop. I think the current three rooms apartment won't work, better be one girl, one apartment, so you have the absolute privacy during your session, and that worth more money.

Again, just a thought.

Cheers

[Sextus]

[QUOTE=AHLUNGOR;100528]Hi Brother Sextus,

You are absolutely right!! on a punters point of view that is. I was probably more thinking along the side of the shop owners, but ultimately the market will decide if it is worthwhile for their money. "


I much prefer it if you could just look after we punters with your advice AhLungor, mate, and not worry so much about the shop owners. We on the forum are the ones who are your brothers. I haven't been to Ginza yet, but I'd hate it if the cream was skimmed off before I ever made it there. Hopefully Wilson is happy with his business model. The punters sure seem to be!

[AHLUNGOR]

I much prefer it if you could just look after we punters with your advice AhLungor, mate, and not worry so much about the shop owners. We on the forum are the ones who are your brothers. I haven't been to Ginza yet, but I'd hate it if the cream was skimmed off before I ever made it there. Hopefully Wilson is happy with his business model. The punters sure seem to be!

HI Brother Sextus,

My apology if what I said before would have offended you or other brothers, how dare me to think for or try to give advices to the shops!!. What the hack do I know ??

But I don't think we should have a us against them mentality. Any shop owners who provide good services and quality WLs/MLs to us honry dudes are my brothers and sisters too. I much rather view the entire sex industry and the punting public as one big happy family. Sorry if I seem a bit bias here, I can't help it, some of my friends are shop owners too, so when I think and post, I inevitably think for the best benefits (win win) for both the shops and punters alike. If that attitude is wrong, then so be it, it's just me.

As I said before, ultimately, the market and supply and demand will decide, any tactics, sales strategies, special promotions, and whether they are genuine good deals or a scheme to try to trick people, only time will tell and again, may the best and fairest do well and prosper. Good quality of girls and good customers services are the only sure things as far as I am concerned. So I don't think you need to be too concerned about who is giving advice to whom. I don't think a little comments like mine could stuff things up big time, you may have given me too much credit.....haha, Most shops will probably just look at me no more than a stingy BS artist.............lol

And please let's not start another argument here, I have only ever mean well and with respects and with all good intentions.

Cheers

[Sextus]

No Ahlungor mate, definitely no argument, I think you are one of the most reasonable and calming influences on this forum.

Because of the respect I have for you I feel many others would have this too, so I was paranoid about your influence. Or my wallet was, if your advice led to quality girls being put out of my reach. There are too many quality girls out of my reach already, and Ginza is a rare oasis of quality and price for punters like me.

And I am paranoid about losing it......

[AHLUNGOR]

No Ahlungor mate, definitely no argument, I think you are one of the most reasonable and calming influences on this forum.

Because of the respect I have for you I feel many others would have this too, so I was paranoid about your influence. Or my wallet was, if your advice led to quality girls being put out of my reach. There are too many quality girls out of my reach already, and Ginza is a rare oasis of quality and price for punters like me.

And I am paranoid about losing it......

Well, well, well, Brother Sextus, you are paranoid about losing the punting opportunity at the Ginza girls and I am envy of you having the wallet to be even in that position, at least you are a FS punter.

In comparison, I am this cheap cheap massage shop punter, saving money every week try to get a hand job while you are getting blow jobs ad full on jobs. You are streets ahead of me mate !!............haha

Cheers

[altgourami]

Times are tough. Shops are doing it tough. Girls are finding it hard to make ends meet and are seeking higher priced, higher risk jobs.

[AHLUNGOR]

Times are tough. Shops are doing it tough. Girls are finding it hard to make ends meet and are seeking higher priced, higher risk jobs.

Yeah, a few of the massage shops I know are all experiencing some drops in business, I guess leading up to Christmas, this situation could be expected, people are just so cash strapped and credit cards max out. Things like presents, entertainment, dining and parties, gifting, school holidays and family holidays all coming up, punting dollars will be stretched to the limit and became a luxury item no doubt.

Cheers

[EvolutionTroll]

No Ahlungor mate, definitely no argument, I think you are one of the most reasonable and calming influences on this forum.

Because of the respect I have for you I feel many others would have this too, so I was paranoid about your influence. Or my wallet was, if your advice led to quality girls being put out of my reach. There are too many quality girls out of my reach already, and Ginza is a rare oasis of quality and price for punters like me.

And I am paranoid about losing it......

Got to agree with Sextus on this point since my income is heaps low but I am willing to just put out at times for an amazing punt at Ginza which I have never tried before either!

Since I saw the AR on the halfie working at Ginza I was deadset on saving up enough to just blow a 1 hour $200+ punt and keep it as something memorable!

But I also definitely agree with Ahlungor's point of view on the win win situation for both punters and the shop owners, it is actually really good advice, but depending on whom the customers are mostly at it may or may not work out.

Personally if I had a favourite WL and it was at a $80 for half hour session, but suddenly got jacked up to $160 for half a hour, I would definitely not see her anymore as it just doesn't feel right and not keen on pulling out more $$ for the same doe.

[Sextus]

"Personally if I had a favourite WL and it was at a $80 for half hour session, but suddenly got jacked up to $160 for half a hour, I would definitely not see her anymore as it just doesn't feel right and not keen on pulling out more $$ for the same doe.[/QUOTE]

"But I also definitely agree with Ahlungor's point of view on the win win situation for both punters and the shop owners, it is actually really good advice."



The market that AHlungor was advising Ginza turn to is already catered to elsewhere. I just wanted him to leave Ginza alone for us blokes! I'm less interested, much less interested, in shop owners trying to make more money by creaming off their best girls to put in a higher price establishment. I fail to see any win win situation in that at all. I do see a win / lose situation however. And you can guess which side of that equation we punters would be on.

As you said, double the price for the same doe you had last week? A....win / win??

Ps. "Doe" is a lovely, pretty term. Thank you for that.

[Sextus]

Sorry, this is all just hypothetical. I must like to debate too much. I'm relaxed! AhLungor, just look after both our pockets for us!

[Max Impact]

The influx of Brand seems to me to be a hidden price increase. The new premium price is beginning to be $400. None of us would be keen on this price creep I'm sure.

[ics]

I can understand if the girls are providing good services. But look at these agencies, they brand the girl BEFORE any review appears. I miss how BM used to not brand their girls until massive positive reviews are flooding in and girls are highly sough after. I believe that might better justify the price. But as Max Impact said, we will soon see 350 is the norm while 400 is the prestigious girl.