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    The propensity of PUA's in Sydney on a night out

    I ran into a few PUA's last night whilst out with my gf N and her friend T. There's this hidden sub-culture of PUA's that I keep coming across and I think it's worth describing on our humble punting forum.

    A while back I was lent a copy of "The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists" by Neill Strauss. It was a funny book, outlining the transformation of Neil who in Pick Up Artist (PUA) terms was called an Average Frustrated Chump (AFC) into "Styles", a mPUA (Master Pickup Artist). Most of this book was really about confidence, differentiating yourself and the art of "Negging" which is basically like in primary school - pull the girl's hair in front of you instead of telling her you actually like her. Oh, and coming up with stupid names for very everyday things that people do all the time like phone close and kiss close. Erm… getting someone's number and making out with a girl? It's also about defining terminology and all sorts of really silly stuff. Once you know their ways though, it's a very funny time messing with PUA's. So, I will also henceforth use my own abbreviation, BFD (big f'ing deal). I promptly chuckled at all the the silliness and gave the book back. I hadn't really thought about it until last night.

    So, back to the story…

    N and T were out on a girl's night out. So I hit the town with a couple of buddies for a blokes night. The night for us started at 10pm so it was going to be a big night. By 12, N was txting me and my mates had bailed and gone home. If you guys are reading this, you are SOFT! So I made my way to them - Hugo's, Bayswater Rd, Kings X. After much txting back and forth, I ended up just sneaking up on them and pretending to crack onto T. The look on her face was priceless.

    There was a guy that had just bought the girls some drinks and he was trying to hit on T. Well, he later admitted that he was having a crack at both of them. So in terms of PUA, he was a AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) and he was using all of these techniques like any old aspiring PAW (Pickup Artist Wannabe). I didn't notice it at first but he tried to befriend me early on not realising that about 2 minutes in, it cottoned onto me that I knew what he was up to. So he took my friendliness as a green light and started to kino T. Kino is when they use kinesthesiology or touch early and often to see if there are IOI's, or Indicators Of Interest. Stupid, yeah? BFD, I say.

    So T, not knowing any better is hitting him with the IOI's because she's having a good time and is dancing, drinking and happy. N at this point is draped over me and we're busy dancing away and I get to practice some latin dancing moves. N and I have been dating but this was our first night out officially as a couple and dancing the night away. So, our PAW is actually doing quite well until he does something really stupid and thinks I'm on the Game as much as he is.

    I actually tell him that N is my gf and I'm not "picking up", for me she's a sure thing. He says, but the girls let me buy them a drink. I say, "listen, if you play things cool, you will have a good time with T but they're European women, go too hard and they have no problem going ice princess on you". So he starts asking how I PUA'd her and by this time, N and T are back and they're starting to ask me to translate. So I play it cool and tell N that he asked how I met her.

    How do I explain to this guy that in his PUA lingo, N and T are "hired guns" or in our lingo ML/WL's and that I was just being myself, in PUA lingo, a charismatic natural and I'd basically figure out on my own how to do what PUA's think is the hardest thing to do… Pick up a "hired gun" who is used to dealing with guys that hit on them on a regular basis. BFD.

    So it was, ha ha, on the internet - she picked me up… The look on his face was incredulous. Anyway, he goes to kiss N's hand and "kino turn" her away from me and she looks him in the eye and says, "my man is right here and if you do that again, he will take you outside." All in her cute Russian accent. So, T comes back and after some back and forth Russian, N and T box this guy off - backs to him and start talking to me. He tries to manoeuvre around and I have to politely tell him that he's just messed up so I'd quit whilst I was ahead if I was him. Anyway, he sidles up to T, apologises and asks her to dance. "A for the effort." I yell to them. N says, "no, A for asshole". Ouch. But sure enough she's 100% right. They're on the dance floor and he practically grabs her tits and squeezes them. T is back in a flash and grabbing my hand saying. Ok, you are N's man, time to protect us… Yep, guys - Euro girls do expect this from their men so if you guys want one, be prepared to give a few blokes some hard looks.

    So PAW comes up to try to intercept me and I smoothly shift the girls behind me, between me and him, pat him on the chest and let him know he's done for the night. He yells over the top, "Why" and T, the cheeky minx that she is says, "Oh, it is time for us to leave. We will go and have threesome now. You are not invited". Wow, talk about a shut-out… So we go down to wait for a taxi.

    You'd think our encounter with PUA's was over right? Nope… N is sitting down looking at me, smiling when a tall Aussie bloke comes over and tries to introduce himself to N. She turns to him and says, "This is my MAN, Jellyshots." And then we both look at him and say nothing. He stammers, "oh, you two are a really good looking couple" and then he wanders off. N and I chuckle…

    Another guy walks up and lights a cigarette in between us and says, "oh, that was awkward". Ah, interesting "opener". I step between him and N and say, "yes, because neither of us smoke and it's a disgusting habit. You can quit though…" And he mumbles some sob story about his ex-gf cheating on him. I tell him not to worry but not to do silly stuff and try to use pick up techniques on 1. a woman who is taken 2. a guy who knows his tactics better than he does and 3. a woman who is foreign and doesn't understand his lines… So it was pretty funny but he shook my hand after.

    And now, PAW number one comes out and he's whining to me about buying a round of drinks for the girls. I tell him BFD, I'll give you $50 for the round if you're that cheap. This just gets T laughing and she says, "I can afford to buy my own drinks but I think very small of man who can't afford to buy a woman one drink". And this is priceless… "You are not getting f*ck for one drink. There were other guys who bought us more drinks than you and they don't get f*ck".

    At this point a taxi pulls up so I bundle the girls in and we head to Chinatown… Golden Century at 2:30am in the morning - yum!

    We're in GC eating some seriously good scallops and exceptional salt and pepper prawns. In walks a punter from the Casino and he has no less than 3 hired guns, fake tans, fake boobs and all - smiles at me then takes the table next to me. Now this guy was trying to do the "Styles" from The Game. N, T and I had a great chuckle about their conversation. One girl was so drunk she was slurring and her inner westie accent was appearing over her fake posh one. So funny. N kept innocently asking me out loud. "Why is her accent change so much?" "This is normal?" And I'm trying not to giggle, telling her to stop it…

    Anyway, this poor bloke thought he had lucked out, bagging 3 x HC (high class) and then finding out that really, he's bagged 3 x LC (low class). I really hope he paid for it and got at least a HJ off one of them. But that's punting, I guess, LOL.

    4am, and GC is closed and off to another adventure...

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    Nice story! And good adventure ....
    remind me some of mine! haha

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    brother jellyshot ... good on you and should share more

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    I enjoyed reading your adventure Jellyshots. As a PUA, I have zero skills and a zero track record. That's why I am thankful for the many friendly WL out there. On a side note, can you recommend a good shop with Russian WL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hikhik View Post
    I enjoyed reading your adventure Jellyshots. As a PUA, I have zero skills and a zero track record. That's why I am thankful for the many friendly WL out there. On a side note, can you recommend a good shop with Russian WL?
    Hi Hikhik. That's the thing. The whole deal of PUA is rubbish. Everyone just needs to be themselves and find someone that likes them for them... There honestly aren't that many Russian WL's around that I know of. Kings Court has a Ukranian and a Czech ML which is the closest I can recommend. I tend to just pick a hot girl and run with it...

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    good on you bro jellyshots..
    nice story!
    and if your gf looks like the pictures you share..
    no wonders there is lots of guys try to picks her up..

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    By publishing that book the author was cashing (selling) out and having the last laugh on all the guys in this world who can't pick up. I remember a few years ago after the book was published every short ugly insecure dude out there started all pulling exactly the same moves on women, women just thought 'wtf, what an idiot'. If they couldn't see through the act they weren't worth sleeping with anyway.

    I remember just being myself and girls would ask me after maybe 5 mins, 'what you're not gonna neg me' or 'you're not running game?'... That was the easiest year of one night stands and all I had to do was 'be normal'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potluck2.0 View Post
    By publishing that book the author was cashing (selling) out and having the last laugh on all the guys in this world who can't pick up. I remember a few years ago after the book was published every short ugly insecure dude out there started all pulling exactly the same moves on women, women just thought 'wtf, what an idiot'. If they couldn't see through the act they weren't worth sleeping with anyway.

    I remember just being myself and girls would ask me after maybe 5 mins, 'what you're not gonna neg me' or 'you're not running game?'... That was the easiest year of one night stands and all I had to do was 'be normal'
    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying... And then they did that stupid reality TV show with Mystery and Matador in it. What a bunch of tools. Well, it's made a resurgence and looks like all the young blokes are trying it... along with popping the little blue pill before a punt or a night out.

    I had to laugh at a kid who explained that to me recently. I'd be somewhat worried if I had a hot naked chick in front of me doing a HJ and not being able to get it up.

    At that time period of the book I was like, "what's a neg?" But then again, I never believed in using BS lines or openers either.

    Quote Originally Posted by dannyboy View Post
    If girls believe/think other girls want you, then they will want you..
    Yeah, but every guy has something to offer. I've had ML's tell me to my face that there are guys out there better looking, with bigger dicks, blah blah but that they'd take a normal, well mannered gentleman like me any day of the week. Because good blokes are hard to come by.

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    If girls believe/think other girls want you, then they will want you..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannyboy View Post
    If girls believe/think other girls want you, then they will want you..
    A mathemetician called John Nash (movie A Beautiful Mind) put it this way:
    "If we all go for the blonde, we block each other. Not a single one of us is gonna get her.
    So then we go for her friends, but they will all give us the cold shoulder... because nobody likes to be second choice.
    Well, what if no one goes for the blonde? We don't get in each other's way, and we don't insult the other girls.
    That's the only way we win. That's the only way we all get laid."

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    Thanks, she is as I call her a smokinghotkova. And frankly, when I was booking her at Kings, I was more than happy to pay for the privilege. I thought I was getting away with it cheaply. Little did I know that I actually had a good chance with dating her She has told me that in Russia and the Ukraine the numbers are about 1 guy to 4 girls and the good guys are easily 1 to 10 women...

    I was actually trying to help the first guy. Like any charismatic guy, I know and expect that we live in a world of abundance. Good things just come to us because there is plenty to share around. T was initially into this guy and I know for a fact that T is a little tart. Had he just been a pleasant bloke, bought her a couple of drinks, didn't try to grope her, she would have taken him home and blown his mind... She is after all an ML, size 10 with firm D cups... All for the price of a few rounds of drinks - $40 would have done it. Who can get all night sex in Sydney for $40?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellyshots View Post
    T was initially into this guy and I know for a fact that T is a little tart. Had he just been a pleasant bloke, bought her a couple of drinks, didn't try to grope her, she would have taken him home and blown his mind... She is after all an ML, size 10 with firm D cups... All for the price of a few rounds of drinks - $40 would have done it. Who can get all night sex in Sydney for $40?
    You had insider information! It makes me think that ml's out on the town must carry with them the cheerful acceptance of varied types of men they bring to their work. ie, they aren't so judgemental and choosey. But you'd have to have insider information to know this.

    Quote Originally Posted by jellyshots View Post
    She has told me that in Russia and the Ukraine the numbers are about 1 guy to 4 girls and the good guys are easily 1 to 10 women...
    Can you ask her why there is such a man shortage? Chernobyl didn't wipe that many out, and WWII effects would have played out by now.

    Sounds like a Caucasion paradise though!

    Quote Originally Posted by jellyshots View Post
    I know and expect that we live in a world of abundance. Good things just come to us because there is plenty to share around.
    This is the Findhorn philosophy. It may just prove what George Costanza famously said:

    "It's not a lie - if you believe it."

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    Mmm theres an asian hottie bar girl at hugos with big fake tits. Anyone know her? Shes not a Ml in her spare time?

    Yeh i know of the pua community, some of them are douchebags who settle or fuk average girls.

    Theres one mate of mine whos really high up in the group. But he picks up hotties all the time. To be honest its pretty hard to compete with him.

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    Sometimes the best way is simply to not try, just be yourself and go with the flow, even not showing you are interested in a girl will make them more curious about you, if you sleaze all over a girl you have no chance..

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    Damn straight, women can smell desperation like a cheap cologne.

    Best nights ever are when you just go out and have a good time, and aren't even thinking about getting laid. That's always when ladies tend to gravitate of their own accord.

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    Like I mentioned about the book, it really boils down to confidence, being comfortable in your own skin. I have to say though, not playing by the established rules works wonders too. There's this technique that PUA's call AMOG which I find very funny. It apparently stands for Alpha Male Of the Group. Which is pretty much bullshit if you are out with your gf. I mean, what self-respecting bloke lets another dude try to pinch his woman from right in front of him?

    Anyway, one of the things they've got wrong in my opinion is how Alpha males behave in a group. Basically, they say that Alpha males beat their chests etc, carry on and try to escalate to violence. The reality is, as in the animal kingdom, Beta males are usually the aggressors, jostling for rank. And the joke is, for all of their vaunted techniques, PUA's are really just that, Beta males jostling for position.

    Alpha males on the other hand, when they meet other Alphas pretty much nod and try to ignore each other and leave each other a wide berth... Because they may be so evenly matched that they don't want to test the other one out... So the funny thing is I realise that PAW was trying to run a standard AMOG destroyer on me. First he tried to be friends with me, then when it didn't work, he tried to kino my gf and finally later on in the night he tried to make me look like a tool (tooling).

    Well, it was good practice for him on what not to do. So as a bloke out on the town, here are some techniques we can use to get rid of the PUA's.

    If the PUA comes up all friendly (Mystery method).
    - Get them to buy a few rounds of drinks. If they're going to try to buy favours, might as well get freebies whilst you're there. If they say, "hey man, it's your shout" you can respond very bluntly by saying, "hey man, you're the one trying to get into the girls' pants… isn't that worth a few drinks?" You can then go and buy a round and come back saying, well, clearly he's on a budget (which devalues his social status) or he doesn't think you're worth a drink.
    - Call out the technique he's using. PUA's get really weirded out if who they think is another PUA doesn't wing them. They think everyone should be part of their club so when you don't play nice, they freak out a little or move on.
    - Pivot off their charisma. I personally used this one. Incidentally, I haven't really known these terms until youtubing PUA. Pivoting is like letting someone else talk you up. If he's being friendly, he's trying to talk you up so he can be part of the group. Agree with him but then you neg him by reducing his social status in your group. e.g. tell him that his jacket sits really well on him. Then comment to the girls that it's probably good that this guy knows how to hunt for bargains in budget brands like Just Jeans. Then say how you can almost make it look like it's been tailored if you didn't have an eye for that kind of thing. Even if it is tailored, defending their position breaks their rhythm.

    PUA kinos your gf.
    - Yeah, this is a no go zone. I usually deal with this one quickly and brutally. I usually lean in, no matter how big the guy is, grab the skin under their tricep, squeeze hard and say in a firm voice right in their ear, "I understand if you want to try picking up my friend but if you touch my gf again, I have no problems with walking your arse out the door." Then clamp your fingers and pull down and say "understand?" "Good. We really don't need to have this conversation again, do we?" Then give him a little push and smile like the cat that got the cream. Regardless of if you can back it up or not, the PUA's try to steer away from violence. Do what any self respecting bloke does and counter it with a covert threat of violence - and better if you grab him.
    - Intercept. Jump in there first and say, "I'm flattered bro." Even better, kino him. Pat him on the upper thigh, lean in and say, "hmmm, you like touching..." For added effect, lick your lips after. It's what they call an IOI or Indicator of Interest. PUA's are notoriously homophobic. Works brilliantly with the gorilla types.
    - The other kino is just reach up, move in and go to pat him on the chest. They expect this as one of their AMOG destroyers. My variation is just to step in and give them a good old fashioned nipple cripple. Works even better if they have piercings.
    Pivot your gf away from the guy and keep your back to him. He'll look like a tool, get bored and go away on his own.

    PUA tries to tool you.
    - Just flat out call them out and say, "hey man, no-one's trying to cock block you. you're doing that job all by yourself by being sleazy. I'm just here because the girls have asked me to protect them from blokes like you."
    - Confidence is key. Most of these guys did the whole PUA thing precisely because they had issues. I usually just neg them. "hey man, I know you're frustrated. You're a good looking bloke but seriously, making me look like a prick isn't helping your chances. After all, they're MY friends…" or "mate, I've been nice up until now but seriously, you can't punch this far above your weight class and expect to not get knocked back".
    - Say nothing and smile. The girls will gravitate towards you.

    Anyway, that's a little summary of stuff I've done. Looking forward to other punter's experiences...

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    Bomb would love this thread!
    Where are you bro!
    I am not taking sides, I just love the jellyshots v Bomb debates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooter View Post
    Bomb would love this thread!
    Where are you bro!
    I am not taking sides, I just love the jellyshots v Bomb debates!
    Got himself banned But I wouldn't be surprised if he was guest stalking the forum. The funny thing is, most of his criticisms of me were based on calling bullsh*t just for the sake of it.

    Even this thread is basically an account of me on a night out with my gf and her friend and how guys tried to crack onto them and how I handled them. The PUA stuff I realized during the night after it happened so many times. But really, on this forum now, we have you, Rooter, the urban swinger who roots mate's 20 something year old wives whilst their husband watch, Eureka who is publicly dating Sei and chronicling it, and several other members dating/screwing ML's/WL's and generally having a ball. Hard to continue to call bullsh*t on all of us.

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    I got confused!

    I thought Bomb = bmoB

    Won't you. ?

    Please explain !!

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    Jellyshots, if I ever book your GF at King's court I hope you won't be bursting through the door to pinch my arm!

    (Ps. Your serials are very entertaining, keep 'em up!)

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