Generous Punters

[Sibon]

A WL I sometimes saw had a penchant to complain that I gave her not enough tips. She told me a customer tipped her $200 for HJ. I assumed he could be an elderly Chinese businessman.

Well I didn't want to underpay a ML I went for the old stardard of $100 or $150 for FS depending what the girl was charging plus $70 shop price. In 200 Standmore where the shop price of $130 includes HJ I would tip the WL $50.

A mamasan of a Burwood shop is strict about WL pestering the customer for more tips. I heard that customers would complained to her about being squeezed for more moeny. She wanted to make punting affordable and competitive as she had two other shops nearby to compete for business.

However the mamasans of a South Strathfield and a Epping shop allow the WLs the liberty to ask anything the girls feel like. Once I was even asked for $50 extra because the WL had to catch Uber home. Or $100 more because she had to move house.

All thanks to the generous and well-heeled punters in our midst. Many of us have to play the catch-up game because we don't want to look cheapskate in front of the girls. I must admit that whatever I earn I have to sweat for it.

[Kiryu0]

I totally agree. People are being way too generous or passive rather than trying to negotiate. Which ruins it for some people who can't punt that often, just to be told by the girls you're being a cheapskate somehow.

[JSteel96]

Tipped $200 for a hand job what a load of bullshit. You can get complete sex for less than that. That guys a dick head yeh making the rest of us look cheap. One more reason to avoid massage joints and go to brothels.

[andrewv]

I have never been pestered by any ML in all the 25-30 years I have been punting. Not once.
Before or during the session, when the subject of extras comes up, I usually ask what $$$ they want, and in all cases, the asking price is within a reasonable range.

[Freelove1969]

ever see a “poor box” at a massage shop?

[personaa]

I have seen an elderly man giving 500 bucks to each girl working in a shop just by meeting them ( he didn't get any services). Plenty of lonely elderly people who are willing to splash money just to have a few words with girls!

[woodland]

Sibon - is this for real or are you just making stuff up as usual?

[Freelove1969]

i cried in the rain once.no one saw it.

[Massagecreep]

Don’t blame the situation on one old guy with cash and dementia in equal proportions

[11Bravo]

How old are you people? You all lemmings? Got the "Keeping up with the Jones" syndrome?


I have never been pestered by any ML in all the 25-30 years I have been punting. Not once.
Before or during the session, when the subject of extras comes up, I usually ask what $$$ they want, and in all cases, the asking price is within a reasonable range.
Like andrewv, I can't remember anyone asking me for a tip in DECADES... and I've got a pretty good memory.


I totally agree. People are being way too generous or passive rather than trying to negotiate. Which ruins it for some people who can't punt that often, just to be told by the girls you're being a cheapskate somehow.All this "people are paying too much, they're ruining it for the rest of us." Sure, there will be windfalls. So what? Punting is like gambling - it's ENTERTAINMENT. How much can you afford to lose/waste? If you can't afford what you're spending, you're wrong. So why condemn others? I've heard this crap everywhere I've gone. They are ruining it for us. No, they're NOT.

It's pretty simple, learn how to say "No thank you" with a smile. I've learned in a number of languages. Before I started here, I did my homework, read the forum, read the "user's guide" that a kind member posted. Those price quotes have stood the test of time ($50 + $50 + $50). If I've gotten an OTT quote, I just put it in the "It never hurts to ask" bin. I'm NEVER concerned with what others are paying. I know what the going rates are, and I know what I'm willing to pay. And for the record, I never tip. I pay the service charge. My tip is repeat business. The smart ladies understand repeat business is money in the bank. However, on occasion, when I'm going to turn into a pumpkin, I might round up to the nearest pineapple for a FEW regulars. But that's a one time Adios, until I return. In fact, with several, when I returned, I handed them 3 pineapples, and they always asked me to wait a minute while they got change (which I didn't want as they were worth the raise. So nah, nah, nah; flame all you want; I'm a veteran of the flame wars...)

For example: in other clime, FL's in a bar, customer asked a superstar how much for ST. She replied 700 (period). Just under $200 USD. Off they went to her place. When he paid, he handed her 7 $100 USD bills. She didn't correct his mistake, just smiled and said thank you. She told me the story later. Usually, I couldn't afford her, but she'd always stop and say hi, chat a bit before she started marketing. A year later, she was back from home leave, complaining about poor business. I asked if it was "poor" business, might I have a chance. She said yes. I asked how much for LT. About $300 USD. I asked her "what about the "poor" business discount. She looked me right in the eye, smiled, and said, "That IS with discount." She was correct, and I enjoyed. Point is, she never expected anyone else to make the mistake of prices being quoted in local currency, not USD. But windfalls are good for everyone, keeps them in the game. Why do slots pay off every now and again?

Just today here I was asked if I was interested in extras. Yes, I was, and asked what. She explained what was on the menu, and what it cost. Right in line with my guidelines so we had a deal. The only tip I gave was there was about 5 minutes left, she was starting a head massage, another customer had come in, so I gave her a nod that we were finished. QED.

[Stubbies4Lyf]

How old are you people? You all lemmings? Got the "Keeping up with the Jones" syndrome?


Like andrewv, I can't remember anyone asking me for a tip in DECADES... and I've got a pretty good memory.

All this "people are paying too much, they're ruining it for the rest of us." Sure, there will be windfalls. So what? Punting is like gambling - it's ENTERTAINMENT. How much can you afford to lose/waste? If you can't afford what you're spending, you're wrong. So why condemn others? I've heard this crap everywhere I've gone. They are ruining it for us. No, they're NOT.

It's pretty simple, learn how to say "No thank you" with a smile. I've learned in a number of languages. Before I started here, I did my homework, read the forum, read the "user's guide" that a kind member posted. Those price quotes have stood the test of time ($50 + $50 + $50). If I've gotten an OTT quote, I just put it in the "It never hurts to ask" bin. I'm NEVER concerned with what others are paying. I know what the going rates are, and I know what I'm willing to pay. And for the record, I never tip. I pay the service charge. My tip is repeat business. The smart ladies understand repeat business is money in the bank. However, on occasion, when I'm going to turn into a pumpkin, I might round up to the nearest pineapple for a FEW regulars. But that's a one time Adios, until I return. In fact, with several, when I returned, I handed them 3 pineapples, and they always asked me to wait a minute while they got change (which I didn't want as they were worth the raise. So nah, nah, nah; flame all you want; I'm a veteran of the flame wars...)

For example: in other clime, FL's in a bar, customer asked a superstar how much for ST. She replied 700 (period). Just under $200 USD. Off they went to her place. When he paid, he handed her 7 $100 USD bills. She didn't correct his mistake, just smiled and said thank you. She told me the story later. Usually, I couldn't afford her, but she'd always stop and say hi, chat a bit before she started marketing. A year later, she was back from home leave, complaining about poor business. I asked if it was "poor" business, might I have a chance. She said yes. I asked how much for LT. About $300 USD. I asked her "what about the "poor" business discount. She looked me right in the eye, smiled, and said, "That IS with discount." She was correct, and I enjoyed. Point is, she never expected anyone else to make the mistake of prices being quoted in local currency, not USD. But windfalls are good for everyone, keeps them in the game. Why do slots pay off every now and again?

Just today here I was asked if I was interested in extras. Yes, I was, and asked what. She explained what was on the menu, and what it cost. Right in line with my guidelines so we had a deal. The only tip I gave was there was about 5 minutes left, she was starting a head massage, another customer had come in, so I gave her a nod that we were finished. QED.

This is a really good post.

If someone wants to tip big, let them be. If an ML tells you she received a huge tip, she could be bluffing to shame a bit more out of you by making you feel cheap - would you put it past them?

[GoldfishMan]

This is a really good post.

If someone wants to tip big, let them be. If an ML tells you she received a huge tip, she could be bluffing to shame a bit more out of you by making you feel cheap - would you put it past them?

Exactly this. The girls might be tempted to pull a fast one on you if they sense that you're a newbie punter who doesn't know the acceptable rates for extras. They ask "is this your first time here?", etc, to suss you out.

[11Bravo]

Exactly this. The girls might be tempted to pull a fast one on you if they sense that you're a newbie punter who doesn't know the acceptable rates for extras. They ask "is this your first time here?", etc, to suss you out.

I've posted this translation before, both here and on other forums:
"Is this your first time here?": Can I charge you the tourist price or the resident price?

But I don't think this is a "fast one". Just good marketing. It LITERALLY PAYS to do your homework here by reading, and it's NOT her job to educate you (at least in pricing). It's also why some will say "up to you", though it is best to clarify what you are willing to pay before you start. That way, no disappointments for either party.

And there is another straightforward reason for the question, especially in shops that don't provide ALL amenities. Are you aware of that and understand the limitations, or will you throw a hissy-fit when she informs you that she "doesn't do that" during? Yesterday I was asked that exact question and replied honestly that in that branch, it was a first, but I'd been to other branches. She still explained exactly what was on offer, the limitations, and the cost (which was exactly as expected). No harm, no foul.

Finally, in other climes, where there is more marketing before a decision is made, I'll often say it's my first time, just arrived today and watch her eyes spin around like a slot machine, BIG smile on her face. Then, as the conversation progresses, I'll drop in certain hints, perhaps a hint I know more about the geography than a newbie should, or some local expressions in the local language. Fun to see how long it takes here to realize the reality of the situation. All done in good humor, just banter, with maybe a sock to my arm as punishment. AND, if she walks away, I've just SAVED myself both time AND money.

REGARDLESS, you SHOULD know what HER experience that day is worth to YOU. If you're in agreement, done deal. If not, NEXT...

[Nelly69]

haha, yeah the girl probably got the $200 once because of a rich punter and artificially inflated her value based on that. I call these girls Whalers, they are only interesting in fishing for Whales but they work in a pond.

Its all about supply and demand and value to you. If you don't feel its enough value to part ways, like Bravo said, learn to say "No thank you". if the girl gets enough of it, she will adjust her price or go fish at a bigger pond (go private)

[Dukeduker222]

If the girl asks for me than I think she’s worth or wants to pay, I just don’t partake or take a cheaper option. At the end of the day, worst case scenario I paid 60-70$ for a shitty massage. I can live with that.

[andrewv]

We often forget that “it is business” and the arrangement between a girl and us punters is a TRANSACTION which has a $$ value and service delivery from them. Period.

When a punter gets into personal dialogue then he is outside the terms of the transaction.

Sadly, some people have deep subconscious issues of wanting to have a form of “relationship” or need to feel they’re more special than all the other men who have paid to get their rocks off by the same girl.

This is a sign of weakness, not a sign of amazing manhood and being special.

[nosytt]

I for one thank our generous punters, some women maybe sticking around for the ones that tip fat stacks and service us plebs as a means to an end, thus the generous ones are subsidising our visits.

[Soton]

Checked out now

[11Bravo]

I for one thank our generous punters, some women maybe sticking around for the ones that tip fat stacks and service us plebs as a means to an end, thus the generous ones are subsidising our visits.

Out of the mouths of babes... (NO disrespect meant, well said)


1. I even paid a few times when I had to cancel and included the tip for the service I was going to get.

2. Do whatever suits you and do not worry about anyone else.

3. NB - if the ML is pushing you for more and more of a tip then perhaps you should take the hint and find another ML.
1. Been there, done that
2. Agree. I answer to myself.
3. Most definitely agree.

[gco0307]

I have never been pestered by any ML in all the 25-30 years I have been punting. Not once.
Before or during the session, when the subject of extras comes up, I usually ask what $$$ they want, and in all cases, the asking price is within a reasonable range.

This was true for me until very recently.

Was a girl I had seen a few times and usually for 45 minutes to an hour, each time with a usual amount of pineapples depending on what service I took (Massage with fun).

Saw her one night for 30 minutes as that wast he only booking she had available and we had the usual type of fun.

Gave her the usual pineapples for extras and she asked for more.

Was polite, but said sorry but not this time and left.

To be fair, have not returned to see her since but have seen others.

I have no issues with girls asking but the tone and the response told me enough in this case.

[BearOrigin]

Spoiling a girl with large tips makes her greedy. Eventually when she expects every punters to tip her the same she'll be driving away business from herself. Then it's her fault for being jealous towards other girls for getting more customers.

[11Bravo]

Spoiling a girl with large tips makes her greedy. Eventually when she expects every punters to tip her the same she'll be driving away business from herself. Then it's her fault for being jealous towards other girls for getting more customers.

Short response: BS.

Long response: Is that from PERSONAL experience or just a hypothesis? Hard to tell from your posts. As I've said, MY experience, NO. But maybe we swim in different pools, because the WG's I've known are VERY astute with a keen, well developed business sense.

I have no trouble with a girl moving up market as she establishes her market worth. That's just common sense. But even when they have, they've still said hi to me, it's just that their floor is now higher than my ceiling. And on a slow day... history can repeat. YMMV


I have no issues with girls asking but the tone and the response told me enough in this case.
Simple, she sent you a message that you understood. Amazing, certainly Asian languages use tones, but tone is ALSO very useful in English...

[madness123]

Ill tip well when Ive had a great experience and plan on a return visit. Ive found it makes a great investment on the next visit. Then ill level out. But average service get base rate tip. You know it when you'll definitely be booking again. I always go for two shot visits so on balance I dont mind decent tipping when its been an hour of hard work.

[11Bravo]

Ill tip well when Ive had a great experience and plan on a return visit. Ive found it makes a great investment on the next visit. Then ill level out. But average service get base rate tip. You know it when you'll definitely be booking again. I always go for two shot visits so on balance I dont mind decent tipping when its been an hour of hard work.

Everyone has their own methodology. MY experience, the first price I pay will always be the (expected) subsequent price with no further discussion needed. I don't tip. For me, perhaps with limited vocabulary, too difficult to explain a one-time tip. Paying less on a subsequent visit, I believe, could lead to confusion. As I've posted many times, my tip is return business which is appreciated. I never pay less - when required, I just don't return (or a LONG time to try again). But I have unilaterally upped the price when I know that the general market price has increased or to reward longevity. Finally, I will round up on the last visit when I know I'll be on hiatus, explaining such.

Bottom line: whatever works for YOU.

[BearOrigin]

Long response: Is that from PERSONAL experience or just a hypothesis? Hard to tell from your posts. As I've said, MY experience, NO. But maybe we swim in different pools, because the WG's I've known are VERY astute with a keen, well developed business sense.

Personal experience. It's like back in the days when they advertise diamond service, took full payment but only delivered standard service. They sneakily put a condom on when performing BJ and turn their faces away when you're about to DFK. At the end of the session they follow you out the room straight onto the exit avoiding the reception just so that you don't complain about your experiences. Then again YMMV I guess

[Abracadabra]

Ill tip well when Ive had a great experience and plan on a return visit. Ive found it makes a great investment on the next visit. Then ill level out. But average service get base rate tip. You know it when you'll definitely be booking again. I always go for two shot visits so on balance I dont mind decent tipping when its been an hour of hard work.

Interested as to what your definition of a base rate tip is? Great experience tip?

[andrewv]

All this talk about tipping..... incredible. Do you tip a service provider because you feel the standard payment is less than they are worth, or is it because it makes you feel special, or because you want to show off that you are a better or more important man than the 10 to 20 other guys the girl has wanked or fucked on the same day?????

Do you tip your hairdresser?
Do you tip your house cleaner because she does a great job?
Do you tip your electrician or plumber?
Do you tip your taxi or Uber driver?

[Soton]

Checked out now

[BearOrigin]

When MLs ask for tips in exchange for extras I hardly call that a tip, it's basically off-the-books payment for a service like hiring your plumber friend to fix your toilet for a massive cash discount.

If we were to properly tip an ML it would've been the same way we'd tip waitstaff in the US - the tipping culture there is based on empathy for the waitstaff that are getting paid low base wages.

Seeing how most MLs are making lots of money from behind the door extras, the only time we'd feel like tipping extra money is when we feel like the ML is not making enough money for the day. Sometimes the ML is excellent but she just doesn't provide DFK, BBBJ/CBJ or FS only NHJ so it would be appropriate if the punter tipped extra when the ML provided an excellent heartfelt session - maybe she listened to his heart being poured out the whole session without being interrupted or judged as there are stories of punters who book sex workers not purely for the sex but mostly for the pillow talk their wives won't give them the time of day to.

[John_Diaz]

A WL I sometimes saw had a penchant to complain that I gave her not enough tips. She told me a customer tipped her $200 for HJ. I assumed he could be an elderly Chinese businessman.

Well I didn't want to underpay a ML I went for the old stardard of $100 or $150 for FS depending what the girl was charging plus $70 shop price. In 200 Standmore where the shop price of $130 includes HJ I would tip the WL $50.

A mamasan of a Burwood shop is strict about WL pestering the customer for more tips. I heard that customers would complained to her about being squeezed for more moeny. She wanted to make punting affordable and competitive as she had two other shops nearby to compete for business.

However the mamasans of a South Strathfield and a Epping shop allow the WLs the liberty to ask anything the girls feel like. Once I was even asked for $50 extra because the WL had to catch Uber home. Or $100 more because she had to move house.

All thanks to the generous and well-heeled punters in our midst. Many of us have to play the catch-up game because we don't want to look cheapskate in front of the girls. I must admit that whatever I earn I have to sweat for it.


WTF! $200 for HJ. Does she have the golden hand of HJ?

[trampslikeus55]

WTF! $200 for HJ. Does she have the golden hand of HJ?
I'll take a guess and say that the ML had started the negotiations from a high water mark. Something akin to the ambit claim. With negotiations you can always come down to the price you'll pay. With Sibon she probably thought he was easy pickings. 👍

[gco0307]

Simple, she sent you a message that you understood. Amazing, certainly Asian languages use tones, but tone is ALSO very useful in English...

Yep.

To me, at the time her tone absolutely reeked of desperation and her feeling that I was an ATM as the service received did not include anything new or even different yet the 'request' was for more pineapples which to me was a 'test of waters' to see how far I would go in the circumstances and one thing I do not accept is being pushed.

As for tone, to me tone is everything whether it be vocal or body movement as both can be a big indication within certain circumstances




Everyone has their own methodology. MY experience, the first price I pay will always be the (expected) subsequent price with no further discussion needed. I don't tip. For me, perhaps with limited vocabulary, too difficult to explain a one-time tip. Paying less on a subsequent visit, I believe, could lead to confusion. As I've posted many times, my tip is return business which is appreciated. I never pay less - when required, I just don't return (or a LONG time to try again). But I have unilaterally upped the price when I know that the general market price has increased or to reward longevity. Finally, I will round up on the last visit when I know I'll be on hiatus, explaining such.

Bottom line: whatever works for YOU.

This is more me as well.

Not really a person who tips a ML or other as I am not that kind plus it is not something that I have ever done no matter the job or service received.

To me, the ladies are service providers and I do not tip because we have agreed on a service for cost after they have 'quoted' me a price. I either choose to accept the price or not and we go from there where I get the service or we renegotiate to something more suitable for both..

[CarpetJam]

I'll take a guess and say that the ML had started the negotiations from a high water mark. Something akin to the ambit claim. With negotiations you can always come down to the price you'll pay. With Sibon she probably thought he was easy pickings. 👍

is sibon a big tipper

[madness123]

Interested as to what your definition of a base rate tip is? Great experience tip?

Base 50, only ever after the event as well.

[11Bravo]

1. Do you tip your hairdresser?
2. Do you tip your house cleaner because she does a great job?
3. Do you tip your electrician or plumber?
4. Do you tip your taxi or Uber driver?

1. Yes, even though my barber drives a newer and more expensive car than mine. But while some get haircuts every month, I'm more of a quarterly type, so I figure it averages out to keep me on the "give him an appointment when he wants" list.

Helpful hint: if you ever need to move through a large crowd, and you wear your hair long and shaggy, with a beard, just pull one side's shirttail out, look down, mumble nonsense LOUDLY, and start shuffling forward. That crowd will part like the Red Sea...

2. House cleaner? That's for you high falutin' folks. Me, I figure dust is just nature's way of showing me what I don't use. Doesn't bother me at all. Plastic utensils go in the recycle, and paper plates/cups in the garbage. That mold in the shower - I'm a biologist looking for the next super drug.

3. Electricians or plumbers, No.

4. Yes, in countries where it's expected. Otherwise you might not get picked up the next time.

5. WG - as I've stated, in general, no. Treat her the same as electricians and plumbers - she turns me on and cleans my pipes.

[Sibon]

is sibon a big tipper

I'm a poor punter. I have a low limit on my weekly punting expenditure.

[schloong]

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2948354]

Helpful hint: if you ever need to move through a large crowd, and you wear your hair long and shaggy, with a beard, just pull one side's shirttail out, look down, mumble nonsense LOUDLY, and start shuffling forward. That crowd will part like the Red Sea...

Love that Bro - just GOLD!

[Climax598]

1. Yes, even though my barber drives a newer and more expensive car than mine. But while some get haircuts every month, I'm more of a quarterly type, so I figure it averages out to keep me on the "give him an appointment when he wants" list.

Helpful hint: if you ever need to move through a large crowd, and you wear your hair long and shaggy, with a beard, just pull one side's shirttail out, look down, mumble nonsense LOUDLY, and start shuffling forward. That crowd will part like the Red Sea...

2. House cleaner? That's for you high falutin' folks. Me, I figure dust is just nature's way of showing me what I don't use. Doesn't bother me at all. Plastic utensils go in the recycle, and paper plates/cups in the garbage. That mold in the shower - I'm a biologist looking for the next super drug.

3. Electricians or plumbers, No.

4. Yes, in countries where it's expected. Otherwise you might not get picked up the next time.

5. WG - as I've stated, in general, no. Treat her the same as electricians and plumbers - she turns me on and cleans my pipes.
6. Medicine Doctors/Dentists - you don't tip your Doctors for appointment like you don't tip appointment with your ML/WL.

[GoldfishMan]

The way I see it, we use the term "tip" in punting very loosely and not in the general sense of the word.

I don't even consider the money that I give to MLs as a real "tip". It's just payment for her services, that's it. If I don't pay that money, I don't get the service at all. That's not the definition of a "tip", is it?

On the other hand, when you tip a waiter, that's a real tip because it's just money you pay "for nothing more". Whether or not you paid the tip, that waiter would've served you regardless.

So there's really no point in comparing the tip that we give to MLs, to any other instances of tipping. It's just not the same thing.

[Soton]

Checked out now

[ThunderPunter]

I am not big on tipping more than the agreed price, but if she goes completely above and beyond what i was expecting well then i might tip if i plan on going back to her.

[PELTERS]

1. Yes, even though my barber drives a newer and more expensive car than mine. But while some get haircuts every month, I'm more of a quarterly type, so I figure it averages out to keep me on the "give him an appointment when he wants" list.

Helpful hint: if you ever need to move through a large crowd, and you wear your hair long and shaggy, with a beard, just pull one side's shirttail out, look down, mumble nonsense LOUDLY, and start shuffling forward. That crowd will part like the Red Sea...

2. House cleaner? That's for you high falutin' folks. Me, I figure dust is just nature's way of showing me what I don't use. Doesn't bother me at all. Plastic utensils go in the recycle, and paper plates/cups in the garbage. That mold in the shower - I'm a biologist looking for the next super drug.

3. Electricians or plumbers, No.

4. Yes, in countries where it's expected. Otherwise you might not get picked up the next time.

5. WG - as I've stated, in general, no. Treat her the same as electricians and plumbers - she turns me on and cleans my pipes.If 5 were true, Mrs Palmer would be all the companionship necessary. The reason for this conversation is because of the priceless quality involved in the encounter.

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[11Bravo]

The way I see it, we use the term "tip" in punting very loosely and not in the general sense of the word.

I don't even consider the money that I give to MLs as a real "tip". It's just payment for her services, that's it. If I don't pay that money, I don't get the service at all. That's not the definition of a "tip", is it?

On the other hand, when you tip a waiter, that's a real tip because it's just money you pay "for nothing more". Whether or not you paid the tip, that waiter would've served you regardless.

So there's really no point in comparing the tip that we give to MLs, to any other instances of tipping. It's just not the same thing.
Definitions:
1. Service Charge: a fee paid for the labor involved in delivering a service. Mandatory.

Examples: the money you pay your barber for a haircut; the money you pay your mechanic for changing your oil (not the oil itself, but the labor involved in changing it); the money you pay the repairman to fix your a/c (not the parts, but his labor)

2. Tip: a gratuity, given as a gift. Optional.

Examples: In the food industry, derived from To Insure Promptness, given to a waitress. The extra money given to your barber, perhaps acknowledging the hot towel he put on your face before shaving (or to just shut you up). But it's optional, NOT mandatory.

So, the money I pay the ML for the NHJ, BJ, FS, is a service charge for services rendered. And even if she's said, "up to you", what I pay is a service charge for a given service. What ever it is, it's a mandatory payment, a fee OWED.

If a restaurant automatically applies a tip, say a certain percentage of the bill, then it's NOT a tip and IS listed on the receipt as a Service Charge.

I never tip. My tip is return BUSINESS. It's a TRANSACTIONAL BUSINESS, services provided for agreed upon fees. I don't tip my mechanic. I do tip my barber if for no other reason that he always strops the straight razor before my shave (and that I see him quarterly, not monthly, but still have no trouble booking an appointment).

There are exceptions. Just today, I gave a tip to a long time regular. In ADDITION to the agreed upon SERVICE CHARGE for certain supplied services, I also added a tip, a GIFT, of an optional amount, apologizing I didn't have a red envelope to put it in (and also because it would be the last time I saw her for some time. DEROStion is approaching).

Summary:
The fee that you pay the ML for the extras is NOT a tip but a service charge. If you add anything as a gift over and above the service charges, that's a tip. Walk out of a shop without providing a tip, no problem. Walk out without paying the service charge... see how far you get.


If 5 were true, Mrs Palmer would be all the companionship necessary. The reason for this conversation is because of the priceless quality involved in the encounter. If it were priceless, then who could afford? As proven above, what you pay is a service charge for a physical transaction, agreed upon by both parties.

Priceless: Having incalculable monetary, intellectual, or spiritual worth
Not for me. I can ALWAYS calculate what HER experience that day is worth to me. It's the basic Go/No-Go decision.

[jaquedm1307]

IMHO isn't the issue differing peoples perceptions of what the actual 'service charge' rate is rather than adding additional payment ? Those who frequent this forum would have a pretty solid grasp of the cost of NHJ to FS maybe the issue is how much each individual is actually prepared to fork out for said service.
We've all had a NHJ and then there's THE NHJ absolutely poles apart (pun intended) so saying 1 pineapple could be the difference of a pineapple the size of a grape or a water melon
I usually run by the guideline prices but have paid double the price in a few instances and believe I got x 10 in return - is that being generous even though I feel I got the best deal ever
Each to there own I guess but interesting and enlightening words of wisdom - thanks to all the contributors ��

[CarpetJam]

Definitions:
1. Service Charge: a fee paid for the labor involved in delivering a service. Mandatory.

Examples: the money you pay your barber for a haircut; the money you pay your mechanic for changing your oil (not the oil itself, but the labor involved in changing it); the money you pay the repairman to fix your a/c (not the parts, but his labor)

2. Tip: a gratuity, given as a gift. Optional.

Examples: In the food industry, derived from To Insure Promptness, given to a waitress. The extra money given to your barber, perhaps acknowledging the hot towel he put on your face before shaving (or to just shut you up). But it's optional, NOT mandatory.

So, the money I pay the ML for the NHJ, BJ, FS, is a service charge for services rendered. And even if she's said, "up to you", what I pay is a service charge for a given service. What ever it is, it's a mandatory payment, a fee OWED.

If a restaurant automatically applies a tip, say a certain percentage of the bill, then it's NOT a tip and IS listed on the receipt as a Service Charge.

I never tip. My tip is return BUSINESS. It's a TRANSACTIONAL BUSINESS, services provided for agreed upon fees. I don't tip my mechanic. I do tip my barber if for no other reason that he always strops the straight razor before my shave (and that I see him quarterly, not monthly, but still have no trouble booking an appointment).

There are exceptions. Just today, I gave a tip to a long time regular. In ADDITION to the agreed upon SERVICE CHARGE for certain supplied services, I also added a tip, a GIFT, of an optional amount, apologizing I didn't have a red envelope to put it in (and also because it would be the last time I saw her for some time. DEROStion is approaching).

Summary:
The fee that you pay the ML for the extras is NOT a tip but a service charge. If you add anything as a gift over and above the service charges, that's a tip. Walk out of a shop without providing a tip, no problem. Walk out without paying the service charge... see how far you get.

If it were priceless, then who could afford? As proven above, what you pay is a service charge for a physical transaction, agreed upon by both parties.

Priceless: Having incalculable monetary, intellectual, or spiritual worth
Not for me. I can ALWAYS calculate what HER experience that day is worth to me. It's the basic Go/No-Go decision.

again long way just to say you dont tip. we get it

[11Bravo]

again long way just to say you dont tip. we get it

No, there's obviously confusion with the words: service charge and tips. I just provided clarity. CLEAR? CLEAR!!!

QED

[Soton]

Checked out now

[11Bravo]

God am I confused.
There is no set price.....it's a negotiation but you are telling me it's a service fee and thus includes GST.

Let me get this straight.
ML says 150 for FS including CBJ and sex.

We do the deed and then I hand her 200 , keep the change.
Have I paid 200 for the service or 150 plus tip.

sure we entered in to a contract at 150 but it was not clearly defined and not explicitly itemised.
Pretty sure I strayed outside the terms, I mean I licked her inner thigh and she gave me a long hot dfk.

CLEAR to me. Just yesterday, saw my #1 regular. Given FS is 150 (in your example, verbal contract for 150 agreed to by both parties), not stated but understood from previous "verbal contract". Also owed $70 for the massage. Total service charge $220. Handed her $250, with a "keep the change, Happy New Year". For me, that's $70 massage service fee, $150 "upgrade" service fee, and $30 TIP. The first two were service fees owed, mandatory, the last a tip

YMMV, but I don't need to negotiate every time with a repeat. We both understand.

[trampslikeus55]

Another thread with many views and comments. One thing I have learnt throughout my life is that you generally get what you pay for. And generally the people who do the best are the ones that get paid most. Not a universal rule but good to keep in mind. I don't pay overs to all, but some are just better. 😎

[11Bravo]

Another thread with many views and comments. One thing I have learnt throughout my life is that you generally get what you pay for. And generally the people who do the best are the ones that get paid most. Not a universal rule but good to keep in mind. I don't pay overs to all, but some are just better. 😎
True, but there are many forms of extra payments. A tip is one, another a standard rate repeated REGULARLY counts with the smart providers: money in the bank. She knows that she IS replaceable and many won't want to jeopardize that cash flow. It's why the regular above sent me a complete list of the shops/days she's working, and why I book with her and let her notify the shop. My experience, anyway, both here and elsewhere.

[Soton]

Checked out now

[Nautilus]

Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

[GoldfishMan]

Would it be safe to say a ML or WL makes double or quadruple a punters income? Why then give any extra? Do you tip your dentist, doctor, lawyer?

Is it because paid sex deserves a tip? Is it because the punter thinks by tipping they’re getting a possible in? That paying extra just might bridge a crossover from renting the dream to owning the dream. To go from a 45 minute fantasy to a lifetime reality.

What other reason is there?

I don't tip my doctor, I look him in the eyes and say "thank you for saving my life". I'd like to think that doctors are professionals that would appreciate my deepest spoken gratitude.

With a WG? The universal language is MONEY, and the best way that I can say "thank you" to her is to give more of it to her.

[Abracadabra]

I don't tip my doctor, I look him in the eyes and say "thank you for saving my life". I'd like to think that doctors are professionals that would appreciate my deepest spoken gratitude.

With a WG? The universal language is MONEY, and the best way that I can say "thank you" to her is to give more of it to her.

Agree.
Out of interest what do you tip a WL?

[Double_Adapter]

I don't tip my doctor, I look him in the eyes and say "thank you for saving my life". I'd like to think that doctors are professionals that would appreciate my deepest spoken gratitude.

With a WG? The universal language is MONEY, and the best way that I can say "thank you" to her is to give more of it to her.

Lawyers have the same language

[BearOrigin]

Would it be safe to say a ML or WL makes double or quadruple a punters income? Why then give any extra? Do you tip your dentist, doctor, lawyer?

Is it because paid sex deserves a tip? Is it because the punter thinks by tipping they’re getting a possible in? That paying extra just might bridge a crossover from renting the dream to owning the dream. To go from a 45 minute fantasy to a lifetime reality.

What other reason is there?

Tipping doesn't make a girl fall in love with you but she might fall in love with your wallet. If she's always expecting bigger tips each visit she might be trying to suck your wallet dry before she disappears.

If you really want to thank her for showing you a mind-blowing good time, a gift of perfume or earring set is appropriate.

[GoldfishMan]

Agree.
Out of interest what do you tip a WL?

For me, there are the real "thank you" tips, and then there are the amounts I give to ensure that I get the same "extras" in my next visits. *Wink"

The real "thank you" tips I give are very modest, no more than 50 bucks. I don't generally expect anything in return when pay those, just a smile from the girl will do. A smile when I return to see her again would be a bonus.

The other classification of "tip"... I'm not going to divulge that here. Let's just say no girl has complained about it and I have had plenty of happy return visits based on this.

[Nautilus]

Message originally posted by Nautilus on 13-02-2024 at 08:55 PM

[someguy88]

I sort have had the opposite my regular doesn't seem to accept tips.

And last time when I saw her at her place, was going to rounded up to the nearest 100 to make it easy, but she insisted on giving change, where she actually short changed her self a tad, if it was the shops normal fee.

[lipengr]

I still give a more Tips like the shop charge u $130 include NHJ and im still give the lady extra $20-50 depend How well is their massage n efforts to please you, and sometimes i still give extra $50-100 to the fs shop depend on How well their performance. Thats how u treat and respect the ladies guys

[ColesBag]

Tips for w/l & m/l are a complete waste. Won't get you a better session in the future if that's why you're doing it.

Want a better session? Become a regular.

[dpsdvmh6]

Tips for w/l & m/l are a complete waste. Won't get you a better session in the future if that's why you're doing it.

Want a better session? Become a regular.

Cannot agree with this enough. That said, still need to do the right thing with Xmas and CNY bonuses :cool2:

[BearOrigin]

Cannot agree with this enough. That said, still need to do the right thing with Xmas and CNY bonuses :cool2:

CNY bonuses?! Wow your Chinese boss is sure generous! It's normal for bosses in China to give red packets to employees but unheard of here in Australia unless you work in an underpaid yumcha restaurant.

[BearOrigin]

Was messing around with Zip pay after purchasing some stuff from Kogan and eBay, left with $100 balance and saw an option to purchase gift cards. Will MLs accept gift cards as tip? Not the "tip" for extras but tip as "thank you for showing me a good time, go knock yourselves out!"

[schloong]

I haven't used gift cards but I'm sure they would appreciate it, as it's still the same as money...

[1inchguy]

Cannot agree with this enough. That said, still need to do the right thing with Xmas and CNY bonuses :cool2:

I have a Chinese boss and was gifted $100 for CNY. Christmas last year bonus $200 for all his employees.

I also work at another place, Indian boss. We got jack shit lol..

Anyway I tip regulars and that's it.

[andrewv]

Was messing around with Zip pay after purchasing some stuff from Kogan and eBay, left with $100 balance and saw an option to purchase gift cards. Will MLs accept gift cards as tip? Not the "tip" for extras but tip as "thank you for showing me a good time, go knock yourselves out!"

I am sure an ML would be happy to accept a gift card if it is given in addition to the fee for "extras". She has nothing to lose. She might be unsure about the actual balance amount on the gift card till she tried to use it.

[BearOrigin]

I am sure an ML would be happy to accept a gift card if it is given in addition to the fee for "extras". She has nothing to lose. She might be unsure about the actual balance amount on the gift card till she tried to use it.

Giving them gift cards with mystery values is a good test of their character. If they immediately ask how much is inside then she's probably gonna play games next visit to make you give her more expensive stuff. In that case I'll know not to visit her again and look for a better ML.

[personaa]

Tips for w/l & m/l are a complete waste. Won't get you a better session in the future if that's why you're doing it.

Want a better session? Become a regular.

Agree, I am more than happy to leave a tip for someone working in a restaurant who is getting 15-20 per hour but not for a ML on 200- 300 per hour!

[pistons]

Tips for w/l & m/l are a complete waste. Won't get you a better session in the future if that's why you're doing it.

Want a better session? Become a regular.

Agreed with ColesBag here! I don't think tipping will give you better service "next time", these MLs blow 100s of dicks a month and unlikely going to remember you.

[BearOrigin]

Agreed with ColesBag here! I don't think tipping will give you better service "next time", these MLs blow 100s of dicks a month and unlikely going to remember you.

Yeah I don't tip MLs. I normally look for MLs that gives good service, not planning to stay in Australia long term and aren't expensive. $250 is what I pay maximum for service that includes FS these days. With the amount they make they can afford many things in life they don't need customers to tip them extra.

[Sammael]

these MLs blow 100s of dicks a month and unlikely going to remember you.

Yep. I told one my story and she had forgotten it even after being a regular. I honestly think intellect isn’t a strong point. If it is then it’s with the ones who ask for money. As least they show ambition.

[11Bravo]

Tips for w/l & m/l are a complete waste. Won't get you a better session in the future if that's why you're doing it.

Want a better session? Become a regular.2 words: REPEAT BUSINESS. Money in the bank. And the smart ones understand that. They know you have other options.


Yep. I told one my story and she had forgotten it even after being a regular. I honestly think intellect isn’t a strong point. If it is then it’s with the ones who ask for money. As least they show ambition.Nah, it just means you're forgettable and not worth remembering. MY regulars remember me, even if there's been a gap of almost a year since my visit. And it's not because I tip. It's because when I am BOTG, I visit regularly, paying standard rates. Just last week, I remembered to ask a PRC where I could find a certain snack after our session. She told me to wait and left the room before I'd paid her. I finished dressing, she hadn't returned, so I went out to the lobby to look for her so I could at least pay her, given I'd already stiffed her. Just as another provider asked if she could help, my regular returned, now changed from work clothes to civies. Took me out of the shop, stopping to ask several shops where the snack could be found, taking me by the hand when crossing streets (felt like a little kid). Found a shop where the snack could be found, and she ordered for me, and not just for me, but also for the friends I was meeting after, plus some additional items she suggested. AND she insisted on paying for EVERYTHING which was more than a pineapple... I know because she handed me the receipt as she had to get back to work and it would take time to cook... AND that was my last visit with her before my summer hiatus. So it is YOU.

[Sammael]

Of course it’s me for any number of reasons. When I’m back from holidays with the current WL I’ll apply some introspection and see if I can improve my game.

[schloong]

Bro 11Bravo - wow man, that's epic! Sounds like you two are very much into each other - just great, thanks. Sounds a bit like what my regular would do too...

[nosytt]

Took me out of the shop, stopping to ask several shops where the snack could be found, taking me by the hand when crossing streets (felt like a little kid). Found a shop where the snack could be found, and she ordered for me, and not just for me, but also for the friends I was meeting after, plus some additional items she suggested. AND she insisted on paying for EVERYTHING which was more than a pineapple... I know because she handed me the receipt as she had to get back to work and it would take time to cook... AND that was my last visit with her before my summer hiatus. So it is YOU.

Maybe she thinks you're retarded and needed help crossing the road and ordering until your friend (helper) came to meet you at the shop.

[11Bravo]

Maybe she thinks you're retarded and needed help crossing the road and ordering until your friend (helper) came to meet you at the shop.

Without a doubt.:cool2: I'll only trust a local to guide me across a street with traffic mid-block. A local understands how things work, a visitor, not so much. Besides, we drive on the correct side of the road, so I instinctively look in the wrong direction in SYD. Nothing wastes time more than a slight hesitation, and then you find yourselves on opposite banks of the flowing traffic river (1st hand experience).:startle: Or lost in the crowds out shopping for the Lunar New Year. I stick out in a crowd, they don't.:cry: Besides, she's got soft hands (again, 1st hand experience - pun intended).

[11Bravo]

Bro 11Bravo - wow man, that's epic! Sounds like you two are very much into each other - just great, thanks. Sounds a bit like what my regular would do too...
Not rocket science: you treat them like an orifice, they'll be an orifice. You treat them like a person, they'll be a person. This was one of the more special ones, but they do happen. Same trip, another girl knows I'll stop for a soft drink after leaving the shop as I've told her she leaves me drained. Last visit, as I was dressing, she brought in a metal cup with crushed ice and my soft drink. Nice chat as I finished dressing and enjoyed the drink. Personal touch. Here in SYD, given the methodology, minimal time. But in other climes, where LT is a possibility, not all that unusual. Example, a buddy stopped by my abode and Miss Thursday went to the kitchen to make him dinner. As she was away cooking, he told me, "You know, she's not doing this for ME, but to make YOU look good..."

[Timeis629]

Always paid upfront 3xpineapples - not a tip just confirmation of service required -,but I think
I had the right attitude and approach eg showed respect turned up showered and deodorised and spoke to the WL nicely and politely. Not just an orifice as suggested by some - but an overall sensual and sexually satisfying experience.
If you like hit and miss - then miss is more likely perhaps

[11Bravo]

Always paid upfront 3xpineapples - not a tip just confirmation of service required -,but I think
I had the right attitude and approach eg showed respect turned up showered and deodorised and spoke to the WL nicely and politely. Not just an orifice as suggested by some - but an overall sensual and sexually satisfying experience.
If you like hit and miss - then miss is more likely perhapsWorks for you, great! I've found that by doing some homework here, some reading, some first class upgrades can be had for 2 p's. Granted, you (2nd person plural) might not qualify, but I always ask for a price quote first just in case I might have stumbled on a low budget airline. The plane might be an older model, but it still flies, and won't crash before reaching your destination.

[PELTERS]

All this talk about tipping..... incredible. Do you tip a service provider because you feel the standard payment is less than they are worth, or is it because it makes you feel special, or because you want to show off that you are a better or more important man than the 10 to 20 other guys the girl has wanked or fucked on the same day?????

Do you tip your hairdresser?
Do you tip your house cleaner because she does a great job?
Do you tip your electrician or plumber?
Do you tip your taxi or Uber driver?If sex for you is the same as a haircut, I want to meet your hair dresser. And there is no price for the fundamental act of creation. It is free, and priceless. You pay for the fact she doesn't want to give it away. To you. No one has explained why they actually want the encounter. Cleaning pipes is derogatory to both the lady, and the intercourse, as we yang folk too often are. Anyone willing to chance a "why"? You know I will, but I have already said more than is prudent. Bugger it. Penny or pound, I want to experience the presence of her willing being. I make it known. Her perspective shifts from whoredom to human. Cleaning pipes is mostly irrelevant but is complimentary, of course.

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[PELTERS]

[Quote] If it were priceless, then who could afford? As proven above, what you pay is a service charge for a physical transaction, agreed upon by both parties.
Priceless: Having incalculable monetary, intellectual, or spiritual worth.
Not for me. I can ALWAYS calculate what HER experience that day is worth to me. It's the basic Go/No-Go decision.[Quote]

Thank you for identifying my ambiguity. Yes. The supplied definition is very precise. And supported by authoritative reference. Apologies for the vaguary. It is the scope in context of "pricelessness" defined in short as "incalculable" I had intimated at. For the same money, and agreed services (calculable), we all know YMMV. The pricelessness, or otherwise, of the intetaction is tangled wickedly, sweetly, confoundedly, incalculably amongst those 4 letters. Why YMMV is deeply philosophical, and personal. P S. Scissors, or even a machete (yes metaphor) won't help. Insight is the only tool sharp enough to allow best highway milage. Happy travelling. 112942

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[PELTERS]

If you really want to thank her for showing you a mind-blowing good time, a gift of perfume or earring set is appropriate.[/QUOTE]

Giving a two thousand dollar handbag might get you a marriage proposal. Or vice versa. But it is a pillar of tribal wisdom where that leads. Oh the humanity.

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[PELTERS]

Agree, I am more than happy to leave a tip for someone working in a restaurant who is getting 15-20 per hour but not for a ML on 200- 300 per hour!There is a misapprehension of the reality for most WL. Pay in pocket is more like 150 per hour for the majority. And, except for the stars, a lot of hours go by unoccupied. It worries the senior ladies greatly.

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[PELTERS]

Not rocket science: you treat them like an orifice, they'll be an orifice. You treat them like a person, they'll be a person. This was one of the more special ones, but they do happen. Same trip, another girl knows I'll stop for a soft drink after leaving the shop as I've told her she leaves me drained. Last visit, as I was dressing, she brought in a metal cup with crushed ice and my soft drink. Nice chat as I finished dressing and enjoyed the drink. ..."

Priceless.


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[PELTERS]

Works for you, great! I've found that by doing some homework here, some reading, some first class upgrades can be had for 2 p's. Granted, you (2nd person plural) might not qualify, but I always ask for a price quote first just in case I might have stumbled on a low budget airline. The plane might be an older model, but it still flies, and won't crash before reaching your destination.

Grandly metaphored, Sir.

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[PELTERS]

Grandly metaphored, Sir.

Sent from my SM-S711B using TapatalkAnd soundly agree. In my experience, that is the polite way to do business with people from Asian countries. State your ambition, hinting at a ridiculously low price, eliciting a firm, but not hard price from the vendor, at which time cultural norms usually fix the price as stated. Hard bastards, or smooth letharios might squeeze a couple of dong from a familiar fanciable or new petal, but vendors of any class play such buffoons as low level skill, like any poor ghost in every office in Sydney answers an email. Business done, all the joy and attention the vendors personality mustersble can be given to the arrangements agreed. At familiar shops, fapping about waving PayPal or wailing after pineapples escaping out the door in the hand of a small bearer of absurdly erotic jiggling buttocks while youre trying to operate Translate with no pants on is well outside acceptable behaviour standards in polite company. Business first, I'm learning.

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[Spanky69]

Giving a two thousand dollar handbag might get you a marriage proposal. Or vice versa. But it is a pillar of tribal wisdom where that leads. Oh the humanity.

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It leads on a road to nowhere.

My current ML interest proudly displays her trophies from her ex BFs or wanna be BFs. Like PREDATOR in the movie she gathers memorabilia from them. Only designer, top end and it all impresses. Look, she stimulates the economy and makes guys spend way more when they normally wouldn’t!

So good on her!

[ryanpumper]

It leads on a road to nowhere.

My current ML interest proudly displays her trophies from her ex BFs or wanna be BFs. Like PREDATOR in the movie she gathers memorabilia from them. Only designer, top end and it all impresses. Look, she stimulates the economy and makes guys spend way more when they normally wouldn’t!

So good on her!


Like predator! Hahaha

[JuneC]

i have extra coz she worked so hard

[Coxswain]

I will always have nothing. , because she gave me a beer... I appreciate that

[Niceguy11]

Some WL's are not always about money. I mean they are there to work but some won't accept tips. One of my regulars rejects tips from me every time because she earns enough money already, thats what she says. Even though WL's are all about money and some are money hungry, not all of them are about that. In saying that, its very rare for a WL to not worry too much about $$$ and I probably put it down to the 2% of all WL's working. You can just tell if a WL is money hungry or genuinely a good person.

[Spanky69]

Some WL's are not always about money. I mean they are there to work but some won't accept tips. One of my regulars rejects tips from me every time because she earns enough money already, thats what she says. Even though WL's are all about money and some are money hungry, not all of them are about that. In saying that, its very rare for a WL to not worry too much about $$$ and I probably put it down to the 2% of all WL's working. You can just tell if a WL is money hungry or genuinely a good person.

A good person huh.

Why don’t they work at a retail shop and earn $30 per hour? Wouldn’t you call that being a good person? They’re in it for the money, no other reason. So they do sex work and collect $150 ph on average. Five times what they’d get working in a shop.

The greedier ones will take every cent you have on offer, quite literally. That’s their nature, their genetic makeup, their DNA and it’s their calling. Part Ferengi, part Gold digging Goblin and part Siren.

"Siren" can also be used as a slang term for a woman considered both very attractive and dangerous.

I’ve been lucky and only crossed paths with one in the last 100 sex workers but they are well and truly around.

[ReginaldBubbles]

Some WL's are not always about money. I mean they are there to work but some won't accept tips. One of my regulars rejects tips from me every time because she earns enough money already, thats what she says. Even though WL's are all about money and some are money hungry, not all of them are about that. In saying that, its very rare for a WL to not worry too much about $$$ and I probably put it down to the 2% of all WL's working. You can just tell if a WL is money hungry or genuinely a good person.

Probably thinking about the long game and getting repeat customers. Or Japanese...

[Coxswain]

Or a free shower

[Coxswain]

Never tip. You will look flash. Just be yourself. Plenty of service providers

[JuneC]

i'm generous because this girls have to work hard for our pleasures. Some do it because they have no choice because lots of families rely on them back home. Think of it as charity but you get something in return. Gotta look after these girls.

[cherry69]

you guys are the problem if you're tipping extra $100 for grannies

[11Bravo]

A good person huh.

Why don’t they work at a retail shop and earn $30 per hour? Wouldn’t you call that being a good person? They’re in it for the money, no other reason. So they do sex work and collect $150 ph on average. Five times what they’d get working in a shop.

The greedier ones will take every cent you have on offer, quite literally. That’s their nature, their genetic makeup, their DNA and it’s their calling. Part Ferengi, part Gold digging Goblin and part Siren.

"Siren" can also be used as a slang term for a woman considered both very attractive and dangerous.

I’ve been lucky and only crossed paths with one in the last 100 sex workers but they are well and truly around.
Why is it that when a woman wants to maximize her income she's "a greedy whore", but when a man wants to maximize his income, he's a clever businessman? (Rhetorical question).

I've met any number of good providers, but then, I DON'T look down at a person due to their job. Don't know about you, but guess I'm like them, I work for the money, and I certainly want the most salary, benefits, perks, that I can get. But then, maybe you're independently wealthy, or have a trust fund. Myself, I don't. And perhaps I have a higher degree of empathy for the ladies because I've been an expat, and certainly when I'm working away from the Homeland, I am paid VERY well. And I'm not talking about road warriors (been there too); a business trip of 1, 2, 4 weeks doesn't count. Go live THERE as a foreigner.

Bottom line: it's a BUSINESS transaction. She can ask however much she wants, and I can always say "No thank you" (and have learned that phrase in a number of different languages). If we can agree on a price, fine, but if not, fine too. I ALWAYS know what HER experience is worth to me. I don't tip, I don't give gifts. But yet, my messages are answered (just good business) but also a human touch. As I've posted on the previous page, I've had any number of memorable human experiences over and above the basic transaction.

I've said many times, you treat her like an orifice, she'll be an orifice. You treat her like a person, she'll be a person. And I've met many a good provider while punting, just part of the enjoyment.

[JuneC]

Yes so True, some are very good. I had one that stayed with me overnight for only 1 hour charge. She just wanted my company.

[HardCore]

Probably thinking about the long game and getting repeat customers. Or Japanese...

why Japanese Reg?

[Niceguy11]

Probably thinking about the long game and getting repeat customers. Or Japanese...

Yeah I suppose that's true. She's Chinese and has been working as a WL for 5 years. Of course her job is all about making money but at the same time, she's not really concerned about me tipping her or giving her extra $$ for good service. She cares about money but at the same time, tips are not important. Yes, repeat customers possibly but every WL has repeat customers.

[JamilAz]

If a girl asks for more money you can nicely decline and if they don't respect that and they're a regular that means thanks for a good time but it's now time to go out and explore the other 100 ML or WL around Sydney or beyond that are happy for what you pay for. Gents, girls come and go, shops come and go don't get caught up with being loyal just move on and enjoy the many others out there sitting in a small crampy room keeping their pussy warm for you and the money you want to pay... True story!!

[11Bravo]

If a girl asks for more money you can nicely decline and if they don't respect that and they're a regular that means thanks for a good time but it's now time to go out and explore the other 100 ML or WL around Sydney or beyond that are happy for what you pay for. Gents, girls come and go, shops come and go don't get caught up with being loyal just move on and enjoy the many others out there sitting in a small crampy room keeping their pussy warm for you and the money you want to pay... True story!!

Like you say, it's no big deal if she moves upmarket and her floor is higher that my ceiling. Just leaves a temporary opening in the pitching rotation. When that happens, if I happen to bump into her, we just exchange some pleasantries, no reason to get upset. It's just BUSINESS.

BTW: kudos to the sysadmin and the features of these forums; the IGNORE LIST option works great. You'll find it in your settings.

[Coxswain]

I had a great day today. Managed to sell 6 magazine. The big issue. One lady gave me 20 dollars , and didn't take what I had to offer. Put a big smile on my dial

[GoldfishMan]

Like you say, it's no big deal if she moves upmarket and her floor is higher that my ceiling. Just leaves a temporary opening in the pitching rotation. When that happens, if I happen to bump into her, we just exchange some pleasantries, no reason to get upset. It's just BUSINESS.

BTW: kudos to the sysadmin and the features of these forums; the IGNORE LIST option works great. You'll find it in your settings.

Brilliant! Thank you kind sir, I never knew this forum had that feature!

[11Bravo]

Brilliant! Thank you kind sir, I never knew this forum had that feature!

Public Service; you're welcome. I knew but until recently had never really seen the need. Works the same, PC and mobile, but looks much better on mobile (seems to be smaller).

[ScotPassingThrough]

Like you say, it's no big deal if she moves upmarket and her floor is higher that my ceiling. Just leaves a temporary opening in the pitching rotation. When that happens, if I happen to bump into her, we just exchange some pleasantries, no reason to get upset. It's just BUSINESS.

BTW: kudos to the sysadmin and the features of these forums; the IGNORE LIST option works great. You'll find it in your settings.


Woah! No vinnie/spanky/coxswain. It’s like a free upgrade. Nice one 11

[PELTERS]

You blokes have not got a fucking clue.

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[Spanky69]

Brilliant! Thank you kind sir, I never knew this forum had that feature!

Kind sir? Really… shouldn’t you be saying “one thousand thank you’s kind sir”? Now you can sleep better… I was going to say “that’s what your wife tells me” but I’m not into mutton.


Public Service; you're welcome. I knew but until recently had never really seen the need. Works the same, PC and mobile, but looks much better on mobile (seems to be smaller).

PC… obviously you’re not a man about town but an old fogey. Don’t you have anything better to do than sit down at a PC ?


Woah! No vinnie/spanky/coxswain. It’s like a free upgrade. Nice one 11

Coxswain is not an account of mine. I like his street cred as he’s observant but does he really walk the walk? I doubt it. Most probably some sort of part time social worker.

[Niceguy11]

I found this video on Youtube that randomly appeared in my feed. Interviews with various sex workers on respect. Glad to say that I do everything they say in terms of being a respectful client and I'm sure most of us are !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9XcogL-zAE

[Niceguy11]

If a girl asks for more money you can nicely decline and if they don't respect that and they're a regular that means thanks for a good time but it's now time to go out and explore the other 100 ML or WL around Sydney or beyond that are happy for what you pay for. Gents, girls come and go, shops come and go don't get caught up with being loyal just move on and enjoy the many others out there sitting in a small crampy room keeping their pussy warm for you and the money you want to pay... True story!!

Yeah man, I totally agree. Best to move on and find another girl because they will continue to ask the same questions about PR and for you to support them. I don't have the patience for that as I've been through it before.

[Hedonisticfun]

We often forget that “it is business” and the arrangement between a girl and us punters is a TRANSACTION which has a $$ value and service delivery from them. Period.

When a punter gets into personal dialogue then he is outside the terms of the transaction.

Sadly, some people have deep subconscious issues of wanting to have a form of “relationship” or need to feel they’re more special than all the other men who have paid to get their rocks off by the same girl.

This is a sign of weakness, not a sign of amazing manhood and being special.

*Sign of weakness * , your opinion , personally I have no problem tipping extra . Have had mediocre service for same price but when I get exceptional service I have no problem giving a bit extra , no different to service at a restaurant, plus when the WL is popular when I make a booking I get preference at the cancellation of another punter . As to *relationship* is the reason I have various MLs WLs as to avoid falling into getting into stale routine , why have one type of candy when you can have a whole store .What irks me is what appears to be a lot of cheapskates seeking the best service at the lowest prices .